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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:28:00 -
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I think ccp will boost tracking computers instead. It will be inline with the tracking disruptor nerf. They'll never touch ecm or eccm methinks. 
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:43:00 -
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Also add that ecm is the only thing that is attacking the weakpoints of marauders. If yer not caldari mr marauder can screw you over. gg ccp.
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.01.12 04:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Grimpak
But I say this however: the problem is not ECM itself. ECM is fine.
ECCM is the problem here.
yeah using eccm is like putting on a medieval plate armor for bullet protection. It helps a little but is still worthless in the endeffect.
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.01.12 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu
"I've had quite a few fights recently where there was a lot of ECM. In one fight, an enemy Falcon effectively shut down my gang of four BS/CS and we lost every ship, even though we had ECCM fit."
That's a lie tbh. Do the math and realize how little of a chance he had to jam all four of you when you ALL had eccm fit.
You dont need to perma jam battleships to render them basically useless. You just need to jam a battleship 1-2 times and make him relock 1-2 and the fight is already tilting towards your favor. I think you lie very much in this thread to make ecm look worse then it is.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: MalVortex
ECM is fine. Stop complaining.
No its not. How come caldari EAF can totally shut down 2 battleships at the same time with ew while the amarr one can barely disrupt one? Oh and compare the range they got to do this at. Ecm has huge range advantage and ontop of it its the most powerful one and ontop of that there is no good counter. gg ccp, caldari online ftl.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Zhu'Liang
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: MalVortex
ECM is fine. Stop complaining.
No its not. How come caldari EAF can totally shut down 2 battleships at the same time with ew while the amarr one can barely disrupt one? Oh and compare the range they got to do this at. Ecm has huge range advantage and ontop of it its the most powerful one and ontop of that there is no good counter. gg ccp, caldari online ftl.
i confess to lacking personal experience in this matter, but that really sounds more like a tracking disruptor problem than an ECM problem. dedicated TD ships should be boosted after the TD nerf just like dedicated ECM ships were after theirs imo.
And how effective is the gallente and minmatar EAF at totally disabling 2 battleships. Also compare range...
No the truth is ccp screwed over everyone except caldari when it comes to EW and amarr got screwed the most tbfh.
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/01/2008 12:44:22
Originally by: Spartan dax
Compare range eh? Kitsune has a locking range of 52 km, Keres 48. Their Ewar works for all intents and purposes within their optimal at these ranges. You could argue the effect of the Keres dampeners is subpar but there's nothing wrong with the range.
And a Kitsune holding down two BS's permanently? Why don't you do some math first and come back with the probability of not missing a jam in say 5 cycles?
Use the following ships
2x Megas
2x Megas with eccm
1x Mega 1x Raven
1x Mega 1x Raven both with ECCM
What are the chances of keeping these ships jammed for 5 cycles straight? Use any 4 slot jamming combo you like.
Uhm its not like you need to perma jam a BS to make it useless during the time your team is decimating the other...Yeah the caldari EAF has a huge impact alone even on BS sized enemies.
If each side of a 10vs10 engagement would be allowed to bring 1 EAF as support what moron wouldnt pick the caldari one? The minmatar one doesnt suck, sure. Its good at holding people down for gank before they reach gates etc, killing nanos...Gallente one is so-so because of damps and amarr one doesnt even completely shut down ONE battleship at a reasonable range in comparison.
Nerf ecm or boost eccm by large amounts.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
it's not ECM, it's ECCM that needs to be changed. ECM as it is is ok.
damps are not that good anymore, specially on a keres with it's pityfull lock range.
hyena is good for anti-nano work, that is true.
and the TD problem is two-fold actually: was hit very hard by the Ewar nerf, and the range it has is totally useless vs snipers, wich is where it should shine.
ARM scripts, while there is potential on them, have nerfed lots of things, and even ships.
This sums it up imo.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
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The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.12 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: GateScout
ECM is really only worthwhile to use on a dedicated ECM ship. All dedicated ECM ships have no tank and crap DPS. I'd hardly say it's 'overpowered.'
Yeah because all the other recons and EAF have soooo much dps and tank. Failed argument.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.12 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/01/2008 18:40:40
Originally by: Atsuko Ratu
But in game, the falcon isn't going to throw an entire rack of ECM on you. With only 1-2 ECM on you, you arn't going to be jammed that often.
Are you just ignoring the fact that you DONT need to perma jam everything to be effective?
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.01.12 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: GateScout
Edited by: GateScout on 12/01/2008 19:20:33
Originally by: Maeltstome
My huginn with a t2 eccm (racial specific) will get jammed by a rook 75% of the time. My tempest with an ECCM also likes getting jammed by hornet ec-300's.
Your huginn will have a sensor strength of 58.
Please tell me the setup that will give someone a 75% chance jamming you... Assume lvl5 skills..... now ask yourself if this is a realistic fit.
The chance of jamming you with 1 t2 ecm jammer (all lvl5 sills) is approximately 20%. Are you really encountering ECM pilots that fit 4+ minmitar ECM jammers? That's rather a specific setup.
ok this might be a wrong assumption since I suck at maths, but let's take it like this:
3 racials
by 20% chance of jamming, means, obviously 80% chances of miss.
first jammer misses. 80% chances for that happening. next jammer you throw at him will have 80% of those 80% chances of jamming that ship, means 64% chances of failing. it fails to jam, next jammer will have 80% of those 64% chances of failing, meaning around 51% chance of failing.
it behaves somewhat like this, however I must say again that I suck at maths and I might be totally wrong here.
Hmm this is a bit tricky. I think you meant the right thing but explained it bit wrong.
each jammer has 80% to fail no matter what happend earlier. It should be like this:
If you activate 2 jammers on 1 target the chance of you missing both jams is 0.8*0.8=0.64
If you activate 3 jammers on 1 target the chance of you missing all jams is 0.8^3=0.51
Important is that each jammer always has 80% chance of failing no matter what the jam before it did. It sounds confusing but thats math lolz.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.13 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 13/01/2008 09:01:33
Originally by: Xequecal
ECM doesn't need a nerf. Multispecs have low jam strength and you can't just assume you'll always be able to match racial jammers to your enemies.
Uhm you do know ecm pilots dont fit full rack of multies in their mids. They fit one for each race and then a few multies in the rest maybe.
Could you also explain why no one in their right mind would choose damp/td/tp instead of ecm to disrupt an enemy?
The only use for TD/Nos-amarr ew is to kill a capitals cap while killing it. Ecm outperforms it in every way other then that.
tp/web-minmatar one is good against nano, this is a totally different role. This kills nanos, but ecm disrupts them just as good but doesnt kill.
damps-gallente, well this is just a subpar form of ecm that has been nerfed in last patch ontop of it.
How is it that ecm doesnt need a nerf? Or ok you might say the other form of ew needs a boost (wich is the same as nerfing the one that isnt boosted)
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.01.13 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Antodias
Gallente are especially susceptible to TD/Nos or Neut combo.
This is not true. TD+Nos/Neut kills amarr most effective amongst the 4 races.
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